Black History of The Independent Recording Studio

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Welcome everybody not just music podcast in the

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building again. How's everything? Everything

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great great. How you doing, bro? Good good right

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to it. So today's Situation I want to bring up

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it ain't even a situation is with topic situation

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This can be this is definitely gonna be black

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history. But in a sense black history mixed in

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with a little bit of what's going on now First

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person on this person. I want to bring up his

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name is Thomas Bodie is his name. Thomas Bodie

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is responsible for, well, excuse me, Luis and

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Thomas Bodie are responsible for the Bodie Recording

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Company. It was established in the 1950s in Cleveland,

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Ohio and is recognized as pioneering black owned

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and operated independent recording studio. Thomas

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Bodie built the studio in his home using custom

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-built equipment to record local gospel, soul,

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and R &B artists, often serving as a crucial

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outlet for artists overlooked by major labels.

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And again, this was the time periods of the 1950s

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and it actually operated from 1950s all the way

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up into the 90s. So, the reason why I'm bringing

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this up I love to enter into a studio that is,

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how can I say? It's like, I've been into a lot

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of different studios. Let me start there. I've

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been to a lot of different studios, studios and

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churches, studios and houses and warehouses and

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abandoned buildings and beautiful buildings.

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You know, I've seen a lot of, but none of them

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tops a studio where it's personalized and individualized

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to a person. Every person I know, I mean, it

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could be a small studio in a house. It don't

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even have to be nothing major. It could just

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be in a corner of a room. Just because of the

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uniqueness of somebody's own independent sound

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is something that is overlooked commonly due

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to like they say, you know, a lot of, you know,

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top record companies will overlook the records

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he had because of, you know, due to the name.

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But the reason why I'm saying that is what is

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namesake? Namesake can only go but so far when

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it comes to a company or a brand. but it can

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go a lot further when it's independently driven.

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I think sometimes, so like for example, when

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you met me, it was on an independent level. You're

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independent, I'm independent. There's no, it's

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not like you're tied to, you weren't tied to

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the baby ENT, you weren't tied to the Interscope,

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you weren't tied to, anything that was major.

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It was just independent, an independent feeling.

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So how differently, cause I mean, you've done

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it a few times. You've dealt with some independent

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situations, more independent than anything. How

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does it feel? Pretty much independent my whole

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life. Independent my whole life, yeah. So how

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does it, in any case you're saying, just for

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the nature of working with people that are independent

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as well. How does that feel to you? It feels

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normal, like I've said it, like just doing it

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your whole, your by yourself, you know, your

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own resources. The first studio that I was in

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was in a garage. It was outside, matter of fact.

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And I remember, like, if it was hot, we'd be

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sweating out there in the studio. The studio

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was set up in the open garage or whatever, like

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a Portland garage. If it was cold, we was freezing.

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He had that kerosene stove on in there. So those

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are the memories I remember. And then I met you

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and it got more a little advanced. Yours was

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in a house and nice area. You know what I'm saying?

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So I say that to say, I've dealt with the, you

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know, the, I ain't going to say bad, but the

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harsh studio, you know, reality. And I've dealt

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with the glamorous side, you know what I'm saying?

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So, but it's really about how you use it. You

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know, it's really not about the studio. It's

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about what you bring, you know, the quality music

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that you're recording. You know what I'm saying?

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I think. A lot of hit songs are made in the harsh

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studios, the quote unquote hole in the wall studios,

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you know, the bathrooms. So, yeah. So, you know,

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this is... I had a question for, you know, an

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individual one time when I first started recording.

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You know, this was... Quote on quote 20 years

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ago. That's deep to say that enough, but 20 years

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ago and the detail that he gave me was He was

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like this is one thing I want you to take with

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you when you you know being on this path of being

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an independent recording artist He said always

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create your own sound right never in a million

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years what I understand somebody saying create

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your own sound. Now there are some things of

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what we consider professional levels of things

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when it comes to sound, you know, there are definite

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things that are there that have to be there.

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But as far as creating your own sound, creating

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your own sound comes with a lot of Baggage so

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if a person tells you you may need to understand

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you got to create your own sound when I say baggage

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I mean the the parts where you are being you

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Some people it's hard for people to be them when

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it comes to studio and I'll be open about a studio

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situation meaning You can only go off of what

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you're seeing and what you're hearing. That's

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your learning process, yes. But that also is

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the baggage. It's hard to drop off a habit that

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you create in a studio when you get in and come

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into a studio. Now, some people have a very deep

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method. to studio, you know, it's a lot of people

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that have some deep methods and there's nothing

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wrong with the deep methods. There's also some

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methods where people. Know how to crank out records,

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meaning. And this is this is what I mean in saying

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there is no difference in one to the next, honestly,

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but. If this person came in and said, look. I

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wanna do three songs today, right? And say they

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end up cranking out six songs. That's not saying,

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oh, this person is putting in work. But there's

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a thing that is in certain studio sessions between

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people where a session can either go fast or

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it can go slow, or it could just be to a point

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where it just is at a standstill. in a sense

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of saying the objective is to get music done.

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Now my method, this is now I'm starting to give

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the opinion part of this and I'm gonna let you

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get your opinion on it too. And actually I'm

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gonna let you give it first because your method

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is very different. I've never, no I ain't gonna

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say I've never. I've worked with some individuals

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where they, can complete a song and it just it

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seems there's not a lot of uh mess -ups or anything

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to that nature you know just there was a strategized

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moment to get in to make it what it is and get

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out of the studio right tell me your method because

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i we've said it before but i want to bring light

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to it from two different ways of studioing. So

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when you come to the studio, give me your method.

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When you get to the studio, what you gonna do?

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Well, let me add there before I get to the studio,

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let me add that in. As you stated, I have always

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been independent, you know? So then it's going

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into everything that I'm gonna say. So being

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an independent artist, money was a situation.

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Being an artist, you know, you're trying to get

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the funds for studio and this and that, blah,

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blah, blah. So me kind of starting out, you know,

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not having a lot of money and doing it by myself.

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My goal was to get in it because back then they

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was charging by the hour. Like, you know, you

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met producers that was charging by the hour.

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You know, it really wasn't no buddy -buddy type

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of thing unless you knew, knew them. And it was

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really cool with you. Like, oh, we'll just charge

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you this for the whole session. Nah, they were

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charging you by the hour and they were charging

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you big money. Know what I'm saying? So I was

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trying to come up with a scheme to where I could

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do music, just get in there and get out as fast

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as I can, but be productive and have great quality

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also. So what I would do is I would just listen

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to beats. I would get the song format, write

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it down before I entered the studio. So that

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actually created my process to how I record,

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you know, being prepared before I hit the studio.

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So going to your question, when I get in the

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studio, I've already got the song down. I've

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got the hook. I've got the, you know what I'm

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saying, the verse, everything. So all I'm doing

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is just going in there doing it. You know what

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I'm saying? Like panic. I just posted something.

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It took me 30 minutes, literally almost to record

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panic, you know, to some of my song panic. Me

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and you. So that's because I was prepared before

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I hit the studio and I was out. So it's not more

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like a money thing now, but it's crazy how a

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situation situation can make an artist who they

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are. And that's just like a quality that I use

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as an artist. I just wanted to get that backstory

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on why I create how I create. And it actually

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works for me also now, you know what I'm saying?

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And I don't like going in the studio and just

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lagging around, sitting around, because me as

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a person, I get, the more I'm in the studio,

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it's different with me. The more I'm in the studio,

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the less work I think I'm going to do or the

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less quality type of music that I think I can

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do because I'm the type, I got a strike when

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it's high. You know, I can't, I can't sit around

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lagging in the studio. You know what I'm saying?

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Unless I have a gender what I'm trying to do,

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but I'm not going to the studio just to sit in

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the studio and compensate. No, I'm going to work

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pretty much. That's what I'm saying. I'm going

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to knock it out. You know what I'm saying? Do

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my best and get out. You know what I'm saying?

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I ain't trying to waste, produce this time or

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my time not being productive. Cause when you

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go to work, nine to five, you don't go to lollygag,

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you go to work. You know, why are you on that

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clock? You working. And then you get off. That's

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when you have fun, eat, you know, chill, smoke,

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smoke, smoke, whatever you do. You know what

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I'm saying? But while you in here, you got to

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work. And that's how it is with the studio. I

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know that was a long answer, but I just wanted

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to, you know. If one that is a studio, you know,

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you're a studio goer or you're just not getting

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into the studio, that's one thing you can take

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with you. There's a lot of people who, The key

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is to execute as much as you can in a studio

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time frame. There are a lot of people who can't

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take care of the time frame, you know, thoroughly.

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May they may get about halfway through the song

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and then you know, you know, they run out of

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time You know, they got to come back again. Yeah,

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and I've never been a fan today They don't know

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is yeah you you they they do this, you know They

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don't finish and they come back and it's nothing

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and this is nothing Pointing to wrong. Yeah,

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this is not pointing the wrong but the objective

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for some is to execute in a sense like in a timely

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fashion. If you're the person that it takes you

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time, take your time. I get it. I understand.

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I don't want to throw away those that have worked

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with me and it was that. I mean, a lot of times

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it's a method that people have that they don't

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know. That they possessed until they get to the

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studio then it shows up when they get to the

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studio because y 'all yeah, man I had the plan,

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you know, it was planned out, you know, and then

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when you get into that microphone do it to you

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every time I mean, it's sometimes a bite you

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before you even start and you know and that's

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the that's the bottom line of understanding to

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taking advantage of those independent studios

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Because and can I say something, bro? I've always

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I've always had the mind said that tomorrow's

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not promised. So like me saying I'm going to

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come back and finish the song. It ain't promised.

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I'm going to come back and finish that song or

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get that song done. You know what I'm saying?

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Or finish this scene of a movie like it ain't

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promised tomorrow. So you got to get it while

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you're in there. I feel I was high because I

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seen this interview with Prince and. Prince had

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a lot of his unreleased songs, the songs that

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was getting leaked. There wasn't the finished

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versions. They were like, like you say, go in

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the studio. I get back to it. I'm a lay some.

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I'm come back to it. So Prince died probably

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and didn't even get to finish a lot of them.

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What could have been classics? You got to think

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of it like that. Like he probably left a lot

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of great music on the table. Not saying it's

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bad that the unedited. or to have finished. But

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imagine if he would have took the time to just

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finish all these and completed songs, how much

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his resume would have been even bigger. You know

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what I'm saying? Like, that's what I think, you

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know, the quality. Like, I know a lot of people

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about the quantity, but what about the quality

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of the work? You know what I'm saying? Because

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when you go, that's what they're going to judge

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you by the quality. You can have a lot of quantity,

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but it could be trash. or mediocre, mediocre,

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okay, but like, that's what separates the greats

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from the good, you know? I feel, you know, the

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quality. So this is how I take advantage of a

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studio session. And this is coming from somebody

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who learned the art of recording from a standpoint

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where it was a self -taught, in a very very misunderstood

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environment of recording that turned to something

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that was bigger than what I probably would have

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ever expected. So one of the biggest things,

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this is something I learned from a session and

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from sessions and recording sessions, recording

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with people and recording myself. And biggest

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advantage I have is I can record myself. That's

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one of the... biggest advantages I've had over

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the years. So the one thing that I could tell,

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you know, if somebody was to ask me, what's the

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biggest thing that you do in a studio session?

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And then this is, let's say, let's say this is,

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let's say I'm just making like a beat, right?

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I'm just making an instrument, whatever. So I

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could actually start off making this beat, right?

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And I can literally have just the, just let's

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just say, I can literally have just a kick, a

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rim shot, high hat, and a piano or just something

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simple like a piano or a pad or something like

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that, right? It could be something simply melodic.

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And I can literally have just eight bars of it,

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right? My mind, in my mind, when I make instrumentals,

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if I cannot make sense of the instrumental in

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about eight bars, the situation or what I feel

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about the song, I can literally leave it. I mean,

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just don't touch it anymore, right? Yeah, I want

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to give you the artist's input too, some help

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also after you finish what you said. I'll explain

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the reason of what the situation of what I have

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as in eight bars or if I have four bars sometimes.

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If I have eight bars or just four bars of just

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something melodic and I can't go any further

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than that idea, I literally will not salvage

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any of this. This is the advantage of being a

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creative that a lot of people do not take advantage

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of is Saving. The most. Can I say something?

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I'm sorry. Go ahead. And as an artist, how you

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say you want, you want to have that as a producer,

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the key that I would tell any artist. Make sure

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the first thing you want to come up with is a

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great hook to a song. If you get the hook down,

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the verses will come, most likely. You know what

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I'm saying? That's the important part of a song.

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The hook got to be the best part of the song.

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So if you think of the hook and nail the hook,

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get the hook down, the verses will come easier

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because you would know the concept of the song

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and you can go with the hook. But I just wanted

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to add that in because like how you say you have

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certain parts of a beat, I think that'll help

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artists too. That's what helps me. I've always

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came up with a strong hook first and then my

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verses came to the song. So I know a lot of people

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do verse hook. think of the song title, what

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I want the song to be and think of the verse,

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excuse me, think of the hook, then I go to the

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verses. So it's hook, verse, hook being verse

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to me for me. But go ahead. I'm sorry. I just

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wanted to add that in for the. Yeah. What's going

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So even in the south in those in those moments

00:22:00.069 --> 00:22:03.609
with some with Some of y 'all literally, and

00:22:03.609 --> 00:22:05.650
I know these songs from a lot of beatmakers,

00:22:05.930 --> 00:22:07.789
y 'all will just salvage your beat in a minute.

00:22:07.910 --> 00:22:11.990
Y 'all will literally just delete it. And sometimes

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that delete button is the enemy to some production

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that is future down the line that could have

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been a very huge open door. I'll explain that.

00:22:26.890 --> 00:22:29.430
in a minute and if I don't get to that this time

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I'm getting to it next time because it's starting

00:22:31.549 --> 00:22:35.069
to be a series of talking music production things

00:22:35.069 --> 00:22:37.410
of that nature but this is this is one of the

00:22:37.410 --> 00:22:39.490
biggest things I know y 'all do y 'all literally

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delete something that that four bars might have

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been confusing to you or that eight bars or that

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16 bars might have been confusing to you just

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listening to it just because it took you that

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long to get to that point and you delete it and

00:22:55.269 --> 00:22:59.529
don't ever do that again. Don't ever do it. So

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if you take the nature of what a lot of these,

00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:08.410
you know, eight bar, four bar, 16 bar loops y

00:23:08.410 --> 00:23:10.430
'all are creating, I mean, somebody else could

00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:12.849
have turned it to gold. And that goes back to

00:23:12.849 --> 00:23:15.430
some of the other episodes when we talked about,

00:23:15.430 --> 00:23:18.650
you know, getting people in the room. It's important

00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:21.710
to have people in the room sometimes, in your

00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:25.170
independent room as well. You know, to have certain

00:23:25.170 --> 00:23:29.289
ears that hear things a little differently in

00:23:29.289 --> 00:23:33.730
the sense of or idea that you heard might end

00:23:33.730 --> 00:23:36.789
up being an idea on somebody else's table. Now,

00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:40.990
I'm gonna give my next part to what I do as being

00:23:40.990 --> 00:23:42.910
in music production, because a lot of people

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don't have this part. Some of y 'all are just

00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.240
beat makers and some of y 'all are actual music

00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.279
producers, composers. There's a lot more than

00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.240
just the basics of just creating that beat. You

00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.319
take it a step further. You wanna see the whole

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production all the way through. That's the person

00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.259
I am. So I'm gonna give you my next idea and

00:24:03.259 --> 00:24:08.759
my next opinion of how I do. Q gave a very good

00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:14.440
example of his opinion on... He'll come up with

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.720
the hook. He feels getting the hook is easier.

00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:20.559
You know, some, really about 75 % of y 'all do

00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:25.180
lean on that very, very, very way. And that just,

00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.859
it's nothing wrong with any one of these ways.

00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:30.880
Don't ever think like what I'm saying. Nah, I'm

00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:32.460
just saying how my way, yeah. No, no, no, no,

00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:33.799
no. And I'm not saying, I'm not telling you.

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I'm speaking to people in general. Like none

00:24:36.819 --> 00:24:39.859
of y 'all, I'm not saying any of your ways are

00:24:39.859 --> 00:24:43.390
wrong. These are just all opinion based these

00:24:43.390 --> 00:24:46.349
are ways to give you motivation maybe add to

00:24:46.349 --> 00:24:49.210
your repertoire Maybe add to your I mean the

00:24:49.210 --> 00:24:50.910
more people you work with the more people you

00:24:50.910 --> 00:24:53.549
hear that process The better off you'll be and

00:24:53.549 --> 00:24:55.950
this is what I was struggling with the process

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and maybe trying to just find another another

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thing they could do to improve. That's what this

00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.220
really is about for the ones that struggle writing

00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:08.740
music. Well, on my end, what I was saying, the

00:25:08.740 --> 00:25:10.799
ones that struggle creating the songs. Because

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it ain't easy. It ain't easy. This ain't even

00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:17.380
just for the struggles, too. This is for everybody.

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I mean, you could be well along, you know, and

00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:23.099
you could just grab something from this, grab

00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:24.640
something from it. You know, that's a lot of

00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.460
info being thrown out. And my next thing And

00:25:28.460 --> 00:25:31.500
for me, as I was just saying, for QQ, I write

00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.559
the hook. For me, I'm the type of individual

00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.799
that I kind of write on the go. And for me, sometimes

00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:45.339
my production leads to an entire song, most cases.

00:25:46.339 --> 00:25:49.579
I won't release an instrumental on NJMP Beats

00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:55.160
without it being some type of substance behind

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.259
it. I've literally wrote something to it and

00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:00.720
recorded something to it. Most cases, it's just

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:05.359
not on there when I put it out. But for the nature

00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:11.039
of being a production, in production, having

00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.660
an entire song is always a win. Nothing wrong

00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.359
with beat makers, nothing wrong with instrumentalists

00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.420
who put out beats and instrumentals. But there's

00:26:22.420 --> 00:26:27.900
a lot more that comes with understanding the

00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:30.200
production side. And I understand those that

00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:31.859
just want to do beats. If you want to just make

00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:33.759
beats, just make beats. Nothing wrong with that.

00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:40.619
But don't look to have so much credit in the

00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:43.539
end when you're just the beat maker. You know,

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.920
that's just remember, you're just the beat maker.

00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:48.539
Don't take it personal. That's part of it, you

00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:52.440
know, but You know, it's not the biggest piece

00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.259
of the credit. Being the hands -on with that

00:26:56.259 --> 00:26:59.400
music production part side of it, that will put

00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:01.900
you more in the driver's seat of being more on

00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:04.059
the credits, the bigger credit side of things.

00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:06.759
So, and it's not saying that's why I did it.

00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:09.180
That's just what I am. I love it. I'm not just,

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.960
like I said, I don't just make beats. I mean,

00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.819
I try to do, I think I've probably touched it

00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:17.200
all. So with the nature of me probably touching

00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.519
it all, I've learned to just operate in that

00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.480
lane. So for me, let me get to the part of what

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.220
I'm saying. About 27 minutes in, okay. So for

00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:31.920
me, I take my music and I literally, I'm not

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:37.440
the type to write on a sheet of paper or type

00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.059
it out on my phone. So let me tell you my process.

00:27:41.779 --> 00:27:48.539
My process is very mind, it's mind over the beat.

00:27:49.140 --> 00:27:52.299
So meaning I say mind over the beat, meaning

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:55.660
as I said, if I felt something, usually I can

00:27:55.660 --> 00:27:58.539
get a beat cranking within about 15 minutes.

00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:04.660
I can have literally intro verse hook or intro

00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:08.130
hook verse. have it laid out to me. That's what

00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:12.690
I would do. But the crazy part about this is

00:28:12.690 --> 00:28:17.329
I don't take the nature of writing a hook or

00:28:17.329 --> 00:28:21.569
a verse. I take and write what comes to me and

00:28:21.569 --> 00:28:24.150
meaning writing what comes to me. I'm literally

00:28:24.150 --> 00:28:26.930
recording it. That's my writing tool for me.

00:28:26.930 --> 00:28:30.990
So if I record it, that's written for me. So

00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:33.730
I might do just like I give you example when

00:28:33.730 --> 00:28:37.420
I did like a champion. Like a champion tonight.

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.319
I put my suit on Hard bottoms with my shades

00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.160
on tonight. We about to party Party people grab

00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:49.380
somebody all it is is literally lines. I put

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.599
together. So the part first part I had was Tonight

00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.539
I put my suit on that's all I had I had that

00:28:56.539 --> 00:29:00.559
for like 30 seconds hard bottles with my shades

00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.299
on Then I like this. Okay, cool. Let's keep moving

00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.079
Tonight we about to party. Party people grab

00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.759
some body. All that was literally coming to me

00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.180
as I'm sitting there. So that's my writing tool

00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:15.660
is to sit there and hit that record button each

00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.500
time I get a punch. So I'm punching in literally

00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:20.859
the whole entire time I'm creating it. So let

00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.619
me give an example of why I do it that way. One,

00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:27.500
it saves me a lot of time because I don't have

00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:32.289
to write it and then try to recite it. Most cases

00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:34.569
because it came off the top of my head is because

00:29:34.569 --> 00:29:36.670
it's the reason why I could remember it so quickly

00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:40.329
So it ain't saying that I remembered it all put

00:29:40.329 --> 00:29:43.769
together Well for the sake of that my punches

00:29:43.769 --> 00:29:47.109
are creating the writing line So when I come

00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:49.829
back and just hit play and it's all there then

00:29:49.829 --> 00:29:52.369
I can make my changes how I feel Okay, this part

00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:54.210
right here didn't make no sense. Okay, this part

00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:58.109
right here didn't make no sense So literally

00:29:58.109 --> 00:30:02.429
I took that part and I might say this part is

00:30:02.429 --> 00:30:05.309
the hook. And the hook might've been part of

00:30:05.309 --> 00:30:07.269
the verse at first, or halfway through the verse,

00:30:07.529 --> 00:30:08.849
it might've been the second line of the verse.

00:30:08.950 --> 00:30:10.690
I don't know what part it might've came from,

00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.529
but just the inspiration of how we all look at

00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:18.430
the music, this all literally can help somebody.

00:30:18.549 --> 00:30:22.730
Can I say one more thing to add to that? Freestyling.

00:30:23.349 --> 00:30:26.309
That's one method I'm using now. Like, put the

00:30:26.309 --> 00:30:31.440
beat on, get your phone. Get the voice notes.

00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:35.059
Get that voice notes cracking. Use that phone

00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:38.200
you got. We talk about cell phones. Get that

00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.440
voice notes cracking. Put that beat on and say

00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.480
whatever is on your mind. Let it flow. You know

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:48.440
what I'm saying? And what you can do is instead

00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.380
of writing it, you can go back and listen to

00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:54.980
it. So when you go in the studio, you got a visual,

00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:58.319
you got a you know, an audio version of how you

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.359
want to do this, how you want to sing this, how

00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.079
you want to rap it. In this word, you might change

00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.279
this word around. But freestyling, remember,

00:31:06.460 --> 00:31:10.019
freestyling isn't, isn't perfection. It doesn't,

00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:13.160
that's not the perfect product. Freestyling is

00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.920
just you trying to come up with the finishing

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.759
product. But you have to freestyle it into a

00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.779
serious manner to where you're trying to come

00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:24.130
to that conclusion of the song. So that's what

00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:27.509
I use also. Like for all the people out there,

00:31:27.809 --> 00:31:29.410
freestyle on a beat, you know what I'm saying?

00:31:29.890 --> 00:31:33.269
And save it, you know, record it, you know? Yep.

00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:37.309
And this literally, this literally is the whole

00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.549
entire point of this, this pod was just literally

00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:47.789
just to bring a whole slew of ideas of what people

00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:50.450
do in the studio. Sometimes it's like I say,

00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:53.210
sometimes there are complicated situations. If

00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:55.990
you got a more simple process, there's always

00:31:55.990 --> 00:32:00.049
a tap in. I mean, hey, share video, whatever

00:32:00.049 --> 00:32:02.250
it takes, you know, whatever you see. There are

00:32:02.250 --> 00:32:05.269
a lot of times where people don't understand

00:32:05.269 --> 00:32:08.849
recording the same way everybody else does. So

00:32:08.849 --> 00:32:11.190
you literally come up with your own method. It's

00:32:11.190 --> 00:32:15.190
not about. The biggest thing and opportunities

00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:17.349
that you want to take care of when you get in

00:32:17.349 --> 00:32:19.450
the studio is your time. Just take advantage

00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:23.250
of the time. It's not saying that you're in a

00:32:23.250 --> 00:32:26.170
rush. An hour is a long time. There's a lot you

00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:29.089
can do in an hour. Know your strong points and

00:32:29.089 --> 00:32:31.730
your weaknesses also. Know them. Know them. Just

00:32:31.730 --> 00:32:34.309
like, and if you know. Like I'm not a good R

00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:38.410
&B, I'm not a great, I write better hip hop songs

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:41.589
than R &B songs. Not saying I can't. Write R

00:32:41.589 --> 00:32:45.089
&B, but I can write R &B, but I'm better at writing

00:32:45.089 --> 00:32:48.369
hip -hop songs than R &B You know I'm saying

00:32:48.369 --> 00:32:50.650
it takes me more time. I'll put it that way It

00:32:50.650 --> 00:32:54.250
takes me more time to write R &B than hip -hop.

00:32:54.269 --> 00:32:56.509
You know I'm saying so like that's the example

00:32:56.509 --> 00:33:00.069
So that R &B song might be something I need to

00:33:00.069 --> 00:33:02.750
collaborate more, you know with a songwriter

00:33:02.750 --> 00:33:05.690
for example I'm just giving ideas out there like

00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:09.049
our ideas, you know, like uh, like how to sing

00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:12.549
this hook You know what I'm saying? Like, know

00:33:12.549 --> 00:33:16.210
your strong points and your weaknesses and don't

00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:18.769
try to be independent. Like, we talk independent.

00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:22.170
Try to be dependent a little bit and, you know,

00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:24.549
try to get the help as the one I preach all the

00:33:24.549 --> 00:33:26.710
time. Get the help if you need it in certain

00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:29.589
situations. Like, it won't hurt you. You know

00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:31.690
what I'm saying? Because it's all about making

00:33:31.690 --> 00:33:34.230
a great product at the end of the day. That's

00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:36.710
what it's about. You know what I'm saying? Putting

00:33:36.710 --> 00:33:38.680
that, putting that head out there. That's what

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.500
it's about. Yep. And that will... See, these

00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:46.000
are the things that skyrocket people to their

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.440
greatness. You continue to find ways to bridge

00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.640
the gap to get to a studio. There are too many

00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.519
ways and too... I mean, I've talked about it,

00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.619
especially on NJNPBs a lot. There's too many

00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:02.500
ways to record. There's no excuse. There's no

00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:08.360
excuse to recording yourself. I mean... You're

00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.280
literally on what you have in need to do all

00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.039
the recording that you need. So never put yourself

00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.679
in a position that it's just a, oh, I'm just,

00:34:19.900 --> 00:34:21.460
you know, I don't have what the, you know, the

00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:23.320
process and I don't have the money to get to

00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.119
the studio. You have all you need with that phone.

00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.340
It's all you need. It's all you need until you

00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:32.449
get to the studio. And honestly, it teaches you

00:34:32.449 --> 00:34:35.150
it could teach you studio etiquette just from

00:34:35.150 --> 00:34:36.750
recording on your phone, because the process

00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:39.110
of recording on your phone is the exact same

00:34:39.110 --> 00:34:42.050
way you record in a studio, the exact same way.

00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:44.070
The thing is, you just have an engineer. And

00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:47.210
if it be the case or it is the case and you have

00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:49.949
a computer, let me give you a couple of things

00:34:49.949 --> 00:34:52.030
that you can pull up there. And this helps the

00:34:52.030 --> 00:34:54.130
engineer too, though, if you go in there and

00:34:54.130 --> 00:34:56.809
let them hear your vision, then it helps the

00:34:56.809 --> 00:34:59.559
engineer. It might help that songwriter that,

00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.420
oh, add this in, sing it like this, say it like

00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:05.940
that. So that's important too. I think hearing

00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:10.400
it is more, it's better than just writing it

00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.599
and somebody reading it. You know what I'm saying?

00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.440
Having the ear for it. Letting them hear your

00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.659
idea instead of, oh, look what I wrote. Like,

00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.119
nah, the wine, check this out. Like me and you,

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.400
I ain't trying to speak too much on it. Next

00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.800
project, you know what I'm saying? I've been

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.650
sending audio clips to you. Like, bro. That's

00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:31.530
what I need. Like, yo, OK, not too, you know,

00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:34.949
not a lot of words, you know, like, you know,

00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:38.309
keep it simple so I can bring out the vocal.

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:40.210
You know what I'm saying? Like little stuff like

00:35:40.210 --> 00:35:43.150
that. Communicating, you know, with the producer

00:35:43.150 --> 00:35:45.289
and stuff like that. That's going to make it

00:35:45.289 --> 00:35:49.429
simple, simpler. You feel me? Yeah. So I know

00:35:49.429 --> 00:35:51.969
we talking. Oh, man. Hey, but you know, it's

00:35:51.969 --> 00:35:56.679
just the music. I love it. Yeah, get your ideas

00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:00.159
together and, you know, take all of the ideas

00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.340
that you can from this. Need help? Get help.

00:36:04.699 --> 00:36:07.900
Always worthy of help everywhere in this world.

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:10.179
Help everywhere. Just, or even on the internet.

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.380
Just look for, I told you, it's right around

00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:13.639
the corner. You just don't know what's there.

00:36:14.299 --> 00:36:16.639
Just open up your mouth. If not, just get online

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.820
and find it There is help if you don't want to

00:36:18.820 --> 00:36:20.920
know some people listen pride thing But don't

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.420
let the pride fool you improve and fool yourself

00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:25.619
out of something great, you know You could be

00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.579
a fool. Just you know trying to play the pride

00:36:27.579 --> 00:36:29.679
game You could have missed out on the whole situation

00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.659
and it was already in your face But again, there's

00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:34.940
nothing wrong with asking for help and those

00:36:34.940 --> 00:36:38.659
that do Are the help the ones giving help continue

00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:41.460
to give to help in a process to where it is listen

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.159
It's a free thing to give help. There's nothing

00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.619
saying given see the thing is I think a lot of

00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:49.039
people think that oh if I give this away, you

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:53.139
know that somebody will steal it and Nobody can

00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:55.639
steal what you what God gave you God gave you

00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.880
that talent for a reason What you do with it

00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.320
is what you do with it If you gave it to somebody

00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.119
else, they're not going to do the same exact

00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.880
thing with it as you so just just always look

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.300
in the Look in the situation and know. It's a

00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:09.880
win for all of us. Know that no way is a win

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.559
for all of us. You helped write that song. Guess

00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.420
what? You wrote that song. That artist sung that

00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:18.699
song. You got credits on writing that song. He

00:37:18.699 --> 00:37:21.320
got credits on singing that song. Y 'all both

00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.519
got credits. Whatever you contributed. Don't

00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.260
like you say, don't get the big head. I like,

00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.199
I don't want to give this away or give that away.

00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:31.960
That's not the way to be. And I can tell like

00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.719
the wine saying that. he's a free -hearted man

00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.900
like he will tell you everything you should know

00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:42.079
that he knows he will help you you know in any

00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.300
way that he knows that he's been taught and that's

00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:47.380
what i respect about the one so when he's saying

00:37:47.380 --> 00:37:49.679
this stuff he's actually living it and i i just

00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.139
want to say that on wax like you know he's going

00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:55.139
to give you what he got what he learned somebody

00:37:55.139 --> 00:37:57.780
gave him he's going to give to you i know for

00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.500
a fact because he's done that with me so Amen.

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.860
Blessings, man. This is like I say, God gives

00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:09.039
us these abilities for a reason. And we can't

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.079
die with them. If we die with them, that's sad.

00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:13.699
So don't be the one to die with it. And don't

00:38:13.699 --> 00:38:16.699
be the one that you could have been the, your

00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:18.460
idea, your method could have been handed over

00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:20.639
to somebody and they could take it on to be even

00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.659
greater. And it could have been, it could credit

00:38:23.659 --> 00:38:25.659
it back to your name. So don't ever take what

00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:27.780
you do as lightly. Everything ain't money, y

00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:30.880
'all. Sometimes it's just for the name. Your

00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.719
names value is way deeper than a million dollars

00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:36.860
if you didn't know. So think about it that way.

00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:40.880
And at the end of the day, if it doesn't put

00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.860
you on your, if it doesn't put you on your feet,

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.239
you know, in a situation where it's something

00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.340
that, as they say, you can give it back to somebody,

00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.380
it's gratitude, you know, there's a lot of things

00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:56.300
that you could give in the sense of not just

00:38:56.300 --> 00:38:58.670
the sake of saying get money for it. At the end

00:38:58.670 --> 00:39:01.070
of the day, it's all love. Let me say that one

00:39:01.070 --> 00:39:03.570
more time. What do I say? Your name is worth

00:39:03.570 --> 00:39:05.949
more than a million dollars. Your name is worth

00:39:05.949 --> 00:39:08.070
more than a million dollars. Your namesake is

00:39:08.070 --> 00:39:11.250
worth well more than a million dollars, man.

00:39:11.710 --> 00:39:15.190
And nobody can take... See, this is the thing

00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:19.110
that I say. If somebody wants to scam somebody

00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.449
out of their name, think about that. Think about

00:39:22.449 --> 00:39:25.110
how valuable you are if somebody wants to scam

00:39:25.110 --> 00:39:28.880
somebody's name. just for the sake of a dollar.

00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.099
So just remember. Y 'all remember, I'ma finish

00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:36.440
it off like this. And your point on that, remember

00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.500
when Tina Turner went to court and she fought

00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:40.559
for her name, she was like, I'm not, you can't,

00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.420
he can get everything, but he can't take this

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:47.400
name. Because she know what that name mean. So

00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.960
that's exactly what he said. Name is worth more

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.539
than a million dollars. There you go, there you

00:39:52.539 --> 00:39:57.130
go. And for those, always autism. Autism community

00:39:57.130 --> 00:40:00.329
and those disabilities and those of the nature

00:40:00.329 --> 00:40:04.670
of under the spectrum community Love y 'all continue

00:40:04.670 --> 00:40:07.530
keep your head up and we'll be back till next

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:11.530
time on Next Thursday, if not, it'll be another

00:40:11.530 --> 00:40:14.670
random day. All right blessings love you next

00:40:14.670 --> 00:40:15.010
time