April 4, 2026

Beginner Songwriters Should Know This

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Beginner Songwriters Should Know This
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This NJMP episode summary centers on the long-lasting careers of jazz greats Ella Fitzgerald and Count Basie. We start by highlighting their major historical win at the 1959 Grammy Awards, where they became the first Black artists to earn Grammys in the main, non-classical categories. This achievement was a huge moment for representation and recognition in the industry.

We then use their success stories to teach modern songwriters how to build sustainable careers in music. The main takeaway is that lasting success requires focusing on two equally important things:

  1. Mastering the Creative Craft: This means having a deep passion for the music (dedication), being able to change and stay relevant (adaptability), and making music that is truly authentic to you.
  2. Proactively Learning the Business Side: You must understand the practical aspects of the industry, such as knowing how to protect your songs (copyright and publishing), how to get your music used in movies or ads (licensing), how to track your earnings (royalties), and how to read and understand agreements (contract literacy).

The episode's central, simple message is this: For a long and successful career, you need both a strong artistic passion and smart business sense.

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What's going on people not just music podcast

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in a building again Saturday Good vibes. How's

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everything? How was the week? How is the week

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ending? How is You how are you? Yeah, yeah most

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importantly, I'm good in a great space mentally

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physically, you know It was a smooth week man

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the usual working, you know working nine to five

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and You know, trying to stay productive, executing

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on some big moves, business -wise, musically.

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I ain't gonna speak too much on that until, you

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know, we in there. But, you know, getting ready,

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man. You know, preparing for the next steps of

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life. And not just life, you know, entertainment,

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business, savvy -wise, and things like that,

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all across the board. It's been blessed, man.

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Been blessing. So how about you? Good, man. No

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complaints this way. Everything is good. Everything

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is moving. Doing everything I've been doing.

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No changes. Staying focused, energized. Got a

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couple of things I'm going to bring up today

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on the lights of history and also talk about

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everything that goes along with that. And music

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is the talk right now. So music is what it would

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be. One of the first people. First black individuals,

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there's a few, I gotta say. There's actually

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a couple. Two in particular. One of the first

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black winners to ever win a Grammy. A lot of

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people probably didn't even know this. I don't

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even know if we even talked about this. I don't

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even know if it's a thing. I didn't even talk

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about it, but it's the case of just knowing.

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For sakes knowing and for the sake of this being

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on this platform because it's very important

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to have on this platform starting to know this

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music some music facts and a lot of music history

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facts should be Implemented here because people

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are coming to look forward and I'm gonna help

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y 'all out so First black female winner ever

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is Ella Fitzgerald. She did this in 1959 First

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black male winner is count Basie. He also won

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in 1959 Now both one, let me just read a little

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bit. Ella Fitzgerald and Count Basie were the

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first black artists to win Grammy Awards at the

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inaugural ceremony in 1959. Fitzgerald won for

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best jazz performance and best female pop vocal

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performance, while Basie won the best jazz performance

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by a group that is, and best performance by a

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dance band. Now, the first one - Can I add something

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to that? Yeah. Will Smith was the first black

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hip -hop artist to win a Grammy. Him and DJ Jazzy

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Jeff. Him and DJ Jazzy Jeff were actually the

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first hip -hop duo to win black to win a Grammy.

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I just wanted to add that in there. I thought

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that's where you was going with it. But I feel

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you though. Let's talk about it. I'm not done

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yet. I'm not done yet. First black artist to

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win album of the year. in 1974 goes to Stevie

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Wonder. So you're adding to it. Nothing wrong

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with you what you add. I'm just adding on more

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to it. A lot of black artists in the 50s, 60s,

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70s were of that cold era of the strange times

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where You were weren't getting credit for some

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of your records and stuff like that. So for them

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to actually get their credit, what credit would

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do was just big time in the 50s. You know, and

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it resonates too, because, you know, the previous

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podcast we talking about relevant people that

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are still alive. And that's what made me think

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of Will Smith, because Will Smith is a walking

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legend right now. He out here walking, you know,

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and I just see it's crazy. You know, we we tend

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to forget, man, you know, sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.

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The sake of the sake of these, you know, people

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people considered Natalie Cole as well as the

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first black to win a Grammy Award as well. I

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don't want to overlook her because due to the

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nature of time, in a way, things fail in certain

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times. People didn't like. We can overlook her.

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name as well because she was a big deal in those

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times as well which rolls me right into the conversation

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of songwriting um speaking of songwriting and

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songwriters and things that go along with songwriting

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and songwriters has traveled time over time and

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times of time and things have changed the way

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certain songwriters Implement themselves in music

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these days on Ghost writing it was one of the

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most hidden factors of writing that a lot of

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people Overlook, but it's not really overlooked.

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It's just I think some people don't want to come

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out of that box and don't want to be known don't

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want to be seen, you know, they just want to

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write and You know, there's a place for everybody

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in the in the music industry. I mean music industry

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is huge Just find your way in I mean if you want

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to be a ghost writer, so that's another situation

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on one of the biggest avenues though is Those

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who are songwriters songwriters can sometimes

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be limited due to you know dependent craft, you

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know if they're They can't, you know, they don't

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have a studio or then you have those that are

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songwriters who do have studios, who have accessibility

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to be able to be songwriters. Task can sometimes

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be different as far as those who just understand

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the stroke of the pen and some that are kind

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of mental writers, you know. There are too many

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aspects between that. I was just about to comment

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on that. I was just about to say a lot of writers

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got a lot of crazy stuff that going on up there

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in that mindset. A lot of writers actually got

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a lot of crazy lives because to write something,

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anybody can write, you know what I'm saying?

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But to write a hit with powerful lyrics, meaningful

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lyrics, You actually got to go through something

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to get there. You know what I'm saying? It got

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to be personal. A lot of these songs are personal,

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written, I feel. You know what I'm saying? You

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listen to the lyrics. A lot of them dealing with

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a lot of crazy stuff, man, up there, psychologically,

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man. And you'd be surprised. Those are some of

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the best songwriters, man. You know what I'm

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saying? The ones that actually live in that experience.

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So definitely these are all pieces to a songwriter

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and they're things that are like I said, the

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overlooked parts. So one of the main overlooked

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parts, especially when it comes to being a songwriter

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is understanding your credibility in a record.

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And these are for the ones that lean on credibility.

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I think one of the hardest things of unpacking

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it is how far you understand that you're putting

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yourself in a place when it comes to the songwriting

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part of it. So let me give you an example. So

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if I'm just, I'm gonna give you just a basic

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Joe songwriter, right? I'm a basic Joe songwriter.

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I got a song, right, that I just wrote it. Just

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put it on a piece of paper, you know. Don't even

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have a really a concept. Don't even have a beat

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to it or nothing like that, but it's just words

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I'm like nah, man. I want I want this to go somewhere,

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you know, so I just pass it and just give it

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to Somebody else right this let's just say an

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artist this just just getting started out, right?

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Right. So this artist is just starting out I

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give him these lyrics and like look man do something

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with these leads, right? That's it. I don't I

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don't put any type of You know, agreement in

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place, no, anything. I just like here, right?

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Right now. He goes in this song, he goes records

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this song. This song becomes a hit, right? Mm

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hmm. What do you think that I deserve? From it.

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Yeah, a question to me, that's a question to

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you. What do you think I deserve? I mean, it's

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it's whatever was negotiated for one. Like, that's

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why you got to have your business. So I didn't

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negotiate. So I didn't negotiate anything. All

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right. That's what you messed up for one. I'm

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for the viewers watching. That's what you mess

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up for one. You got to make sure it's an understanding.

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Any time you're doing something like business

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was like in this case. You need it needs to be

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written down like Even if you brothers, you know

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I'm saying like but like me and you we close

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we bros It should still be some kind of agreement

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and I as an artist shouldn't take it personal

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You know going off your business as you shouldn't

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take it personal With me coming at you with business.

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It should never be personal when it comes to

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business and also If you really got love for

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that person, you should want to see them eat

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off this what we created. If y 'all both did

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it, you should you should never want to be selfish.

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Now you have people out there that selfish, that

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don't care about nobody pockets, even if they

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got the help, they won't even shout you out.

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I say you was part of the creation, won't even

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give you a shout out. I know some people personally.

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That's another episode. Me I'm more of a type.

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I like giving credit to the people that contributed

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and helped you know I'm saying I believe and

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everybody should eat that helped me because as

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We stated this crazy how this is aligning with

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every podcast we do but as I stated When I started

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out I didn't have to help like that. You know

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it was hard getting resources you like people

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writing your songs are the production are people

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telling you what they hear or the business side

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of put your music here, get your residuals this

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way. So when you meet somebody that actually

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has your back, it changes your mindset. You want

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to make sure they're good when you're good because

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they helped you. You know what I'm saying? So

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this is all going back to what I said a couple

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of weeks ago, you know, episode. So that's a

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long answer to the question. Always come up front

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and say what you want. Both parties. Just open

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your mouth, say what it is, you know, from the

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jump. Biggest things I see, especially with these,

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you know, new age writers is you just explained

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the whole detail. So what happens is they take

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a step towards things in an independent way.

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Without a national highway and a national highway

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because I'm here. I've had people say cute jokingly

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I've had people say cue. Let me write you a song

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Not not thinking Yo, if you get in here and kill

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this song and then they're gonna have to hear

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this song on the radio Years and years and and

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they see me do shows They see me blow up win

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Grammys from this song. See they don't think

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that far. They're thinking like Oh, it's nice.

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You know, I'm a songwriter. So in a way, they're

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certain themselves. They don't think what they're

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doing is important. I feel like songwriters don't

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understand the value they are to music, because

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if you understood the value of who you were,

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you will approach business more serious like

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the artists do. You know what I'm saying? So

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this is valuable and songwriting. I'm saying

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that's why I'm gonna bring these points up, but

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I'm sorry. So It's a it's these are people who?

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Need to understand is this it's not like it's

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simple But it's not simple, you know You want

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to understand business before you get into these

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things. So as a songwriter Look into it's easy

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to do just get on Google find different types

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of contracts to look into, to write up for yourself,

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to put together for yourself in the lines of

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something that is in a manageable contract agreement

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to what you want, how you want things to go.

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Also make things negotiable as well because there

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are certain negotiable manners that can come

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in the long run when it comes to writing up a

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contract. So, you have to understand that situation

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before you really get into it. That's why I was

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so glad, shout out Full Sail for putting that

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in my face first. Like, here, let me show you

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the business. Let me show you how and what splits

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are. Let me help you understand where splits

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come in because the biggest, this is one of the

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biggest misunderstood things is when it comes

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down to those splits. I'm gonna have to do another

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whole situation on podcasting with that part.

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Just understanding and making sense of splits.

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There are certain splits that can be in place.

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There are certain splits that can be very tricky.

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But you remember if anybody had their hands on

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a record with you, whether if it was the person

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who made the beat, whatever the person who, you

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know, mixed it, mastered it, recorded it. All

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of the hands that touched it per se need to be

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on the credits when it comes to You putting out

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that record and also they come down into those

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splits as well But again, I talk about another

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time but for the sake of songwriters This is

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me, what do you feel I should get? You asking

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me what I think you should get. So as a person,

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you already messing up there when you got to

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ask somebody your value and you're like, OK,

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how much do you think you should pay me? No,

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that ain't that ain't how you do business. You

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come you come with your numbers. Come with your

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numbers, you know I'm saying and what I always

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say I like to me personally I like to start high

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I Negotiate I start high and I work my way down

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but I'm also The thing about me struggling as

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an independent artist also gives me a heart and

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also gives me that um We spoke on this realistic

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this to life in situations where I'm not going

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to do unfair business. You know what I'm saying?

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I'm willing to listen, but my prices are my prices,

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but I'm willing to do what's best for both of

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us, long as it ain't killing me. You know what

00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.759
I'm saying? Because I look at the bigger picture.

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You know, sometimes you might have to take that

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little pay cut to get this song out or get this

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product out, or you might have to take a little

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pay cut For like for some some other benefit,

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you know I'm saying like that ain't even money

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might be promo might be Word -of -mouth this

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person might go into promoting that song like

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50 -50 with you or you know It's other things

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other than money that can benefit from songwriting

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and music and hoe and a hoe so That's what I

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would say And the grip that like, you know, like

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I brought up with the situation with in the beginning

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with the Grammy, right? Everybody that was on

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the record. Got a Grammy. Gets credit, y 'all.

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Remember that. Gets credit. So you wanna make

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sure that you implement yourself in the business

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part of it the correct way. Stop taking the personal,

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and like you said, it could be your brother,

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but you and your brother gotta sit down and be

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like, bro, look, we gotta understand the business

00:19:02.349 --> 00:19:04.069
part of this. There's a business part that we

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must do. You got to be honest with them clarification.

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You gotta be honest Yeah clarification the clarification

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of it is really simple. It's a really simple

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process y 'all You don't have to it's not it's

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nothing that you need to complicate Once the

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splits are done the splits are done. It's nothing

00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:22.730
to take person Just how that's how the business

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goes, but again and also remembering, you know,

00:19:26.869 --> 00:19:30.029
it's 2026, you know You gotta stop you got it.

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Like we just he just say it realistic Think realistically,

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music does not make money. Nowhere near what

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it was 25, 30 years ago. It's not the same thing.

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We're not putting out CDs, we're not putting

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out tape cassettes, we're not putting out eight

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tracks anymore, we're not doing any of that anymore.

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You gotta be realistic and think like that. So

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for the sake of, this is a streaming world. And

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that's important for you to say that, you being

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a producer, being in production. because a lot

00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.119
of people in your position won't even tell the

00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:06.539
artist this and they'll just give me your money,

00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:08.220
give me your money, give me your money. You know

00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:10.759
what I'm saying? And like you say, you don't

00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.480
waste it all that bread. But a producer, we spoke

00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.279
on this yesterday, me personally. But you say

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you being an artist, realistically, you're going

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to understand artistry and what's what's not

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right now. And you're going to let that artist

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know. I'm saying that as far as how they want

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to go with it. That's up to them But at least

00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.420
you did your part and that's why we need more

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people in position like you to be Honest and

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be real, you know saying about everything the

00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.440
product of business everything because Y 'all

00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.160
are somewhat the gatekeepers or the non gatekeepers,

00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:52.140
you know I'm saying like that can that can push

00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:55.200
us over that you you know I'm saying so That

00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.380
yeah, that's important what you're saying. Yeah,

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that's the that's just the standpoint that most

00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.799
Forget, you know this like I said if you're trying

00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.519
to put together the product The whole thing needs

00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:09.500
to be like ready to go just thinking like that,

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you know That's why I always try to point out

00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.980
the songwriters in the situation more so because

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there's a lot of songwriters who don't get credit

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because they don't know the business, you know,

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that's like I mean full sale was Very very open

00:21:23.950 --> 00:21:28.650
to that, you know to that Conversation to that,

00:21:29.029 --> 00:21:31.930
you know to that topic. It was actually a class

00:21:31.930 --> 00:21:35.690
songwriter professional songwriter and the sake

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of understanding how to be a songwriter and the

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things and the pieces that were there and Remembering,

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you know, this is and this is something that

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that a lot of songwriters forget and I'm gonna

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give you You know two people on top of my head

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that I Kind of look up to in this lane when it

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comes to that part neo and dream and I like scissors

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me personally I like scissors and I'm gonna give

00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.839
my reason why with and babyface to Yeah, I'm

00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.000
gonna give my reason for the babyface. Yes, these

00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:16.759
two are these two are neo is one You have to

00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.680
understand that you have to understand artistry

00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.940
in a way. And this is, I'm saying, I'm giving

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this as a saying, this is a cheat sheet to something

00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:28.279
that a lot don't know. So as a songwriter, how

00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:30.940
do you get more? How do you become more, you

00:22:30.940 --> 00:22:33.940
know, implemented into it? This is how you become

00:22:33.940 --> 00:22:37.660
more implemented into it. Being part of the whole

00:22:37.660 --> 00:22:42.160
entire production process to where, you know,

00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.140
see some, Some songwriters, like I said, just

00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:46.920
know how to draw the pen. They just know how

00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.740
to do that. Some just know how to come up with

00:22:48.740 --> 00:22:53.140
it up here. But when you can get that microphone

00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:59.339
and pull up that recording program and hit that

00:22:59.339 --> 00:23:03.240
record button and have that track, that beat

00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.539
already and have your vocals and you know how

00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:08.500
to mix it and you know how to master it or you

00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:10.099
know how to get it mixed and you know how to

00:23:10.099 --> 00:23:13.029
get it mastered. And you know how to sing too?

00:23:13.329 --> 00:23:17.509
And you know how to get on that mic? No no no

00:23:17.509 --> 00:23:20.650
no I'm saying cuz a lot of things that's like

00:23:20.650 --> 00:23:23.630
verses and stuff You know that like a lot they

00:23:23.630 --> 00:23:26.190
have seen a lot of songs they wrote too I've

00:23:26.190 --> 00:23:28.930
seen songwriters do that like they like you'd

00:23:28.930 --> 00:23:31.150
be like, oh they wrote this song Yeah, you know

00:23:31.150 --> 00:23:33.970
I'm saying babyface has seen some songs and you'd

00:23:33.970 --> 00:23:35.809
be like man. I didn't know he wrote this song

00:23:35.809 --> 00:23:39.569
so Like you say utilizing in other ways other

00:23:39.569 --> 00:23:42.230
than just sitting behind and just writing, you

00:23:42.230 --> 00:23:46.210
know, like let yourself be known In those ways

00:23:46.210 --> 00:23:49.190
that yeah, I wrote this song I'm saying get that

00:23:49.190 --> 00:23:51.430
credit man. Like that like that's what I was

00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:54.750
saying one thing that you're saying Sing a songwriter

00:23:54.750 --> 00:23:58.470
sing a song writers again at part where you as

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I say you you can be the person to record whether

00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:05.650
this is whether you sing Whether you rap if you

00:24:05.650 --> 00:24:09.529
have that talent to be able to implement into

00:24:09.529 --> 00:24:12.730
it as well. So where the biggest point is, like

00:24:12.730 --> 00:24:16.750
I said, you have a complete finalized record.

00:24:17.309 --> 00:24:22.609
That is the biggest cheat sheet to being a songwriter

00:24:22.609 --> 00:24:25.930
to me. Like song can just, like I say, scratch

00:24:25.930 --> 00:24:27.390
the surface. There's nothing wrong with just

00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:30.450
scratching the surface. But when you can scratch

00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:33.349
the surface and come up with that final piece,

00:24:33.549 --> 00:24:36.630
that final product, and take it to somebody and

00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:39.289
take it and be like, look, this is what I got.

00:24:39.589 --> 00:24:43.869
Let's put this together. Some don't understand

00:24:43.869 --> 00:24:46.450
that part of the songwriting part. And it could

00:24:46.450 --> 00:24:49.430
be big for those. But you really have to be into

00:24:49.430 --> 00:24:53.829
the music situation deeply and understanding

00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:57.220
it in that way to be able to say that, OK, you

00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:59.759
could gain that much from it. It's not just like,

00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:03.140
say, just the basics of it. Right. Right. Question.

00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:05.619
And then this is this is something that some

00:25:05.619 --> 00:25:09.380
don't realize. So, you know, if it was a thing

00:25:09.380 --> 00:25:13.680
of understanding a business part of songwriting,

00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:18.700
right. Right. And you didn't realize or understand

00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:23.980
the aspects of it. Do you understand that there?

00:25:24.349 --> 00:25:27.910
are a bunch of avenues that can help you understand

00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:33.130
if you didn't know. Oh, yeah. So I didn't know

00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:36.549
a lot. I didn't know a lot about music, but I

00:25:36.549 --> 00:25:39.329
knew the importance of being able to write. I

00:25:39.329 --> 00:25:41.930
knew that from the beginning. Even when I was

00:25:41.930 --> 00:25:44.250
putting credits on my old stuff, I would always

00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:47.730
put Quincy Murdoch songwriting, you know, because

00:25:47.730 --> 00:25:51.829
we talk a lot of times. I'm so big on songwriting.

00:25:51.890 --> 00:25:54.630
You know what I'm saying? Like I wrote a whole

00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:57.210
movie movie script when she marred at the movie

00:25:57.210 --> 00:26:01.170
so I know the value of being a song a writer

00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:03.710
period not just a songwriter just a writer, you

00:26:03.710 --> 00:26:07.410
know and People seeing the product and hearing

00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:11.569
the product and all those are his words. That's

00:26:11.569 --> 00:26:14.710
his Vision, you know I'm saying like what can

00:26:14.710 --> 00:26:18.430
he do for us? Like maybe he can write us a movie

00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:22.200
script. Maybe he can You know write us a song,

00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.319
you know, so that's important I've always knew

00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.359
that was important to have my name on that song

00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.339
writing part, you know that song right out of

00:26:30.339 --> 00:26:34.539
writer part, so Yeah, and the honestly reason

00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:37.819
why I haven't wrote for a lot of people as we

00:26:37.819 --> 00:26:41.779
stated before the business I'm not gonna do something

00:26:41.779 --> 00:26:44.759
for free. You got to know your value. I'm saying

00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.619
A lot of singers would just be like, oh, I can

00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:50.160
write songs. Let me just give this to this person

00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:54.579
or that person. For me to do that, you have and

00:26:54.579 --> 00:26:57.980
let me say, I say I'm reasonable for me to just

00:26:57.980 --> 00:27:01.059
give a song away. What have to be like a main

00:27:01.059 --> 00:27:04.519
a mainstream artist, for example, like if if

00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.799
SZA wanted a song, I write a song like came to

00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.539
me. Want me? Yeah, because opportunity is going

00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:13.660
to come. You feel me? Like, yeah, just give me

00:27:13.660 --> 00:27:16.480
my credits, baby. Give me my credits, you know

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.640
that money ain't but if you're upcoming artist

00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:21.940
man, you got to treat this as a you know It's

00:27:21.940 --> 00:27:24.420
a business man, cuz we both trying to come up

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.339
So a lot of people don't like that when you when

00:27:27.339 --> 00:27:29.799
you throw that business part in there, you know,

00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.900
they run they hide, you know, but it's about

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.279
finding serious people and I think when I find

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.720
serious people Then you'll see me writing. So

00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.380
a lot of stuff, you know, I'm saying but The

00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:46.539
thing of it is, I'm not going to devalue my value

00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:49.799
because of other people. I'ma always come with

00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.519
my value and know my worth. Know what I'm saying?

00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:55.680
And that's what I want songwriters to know. Know

00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.420
your worth. Know what I'm saying? Even if them

00:27:58.420 --> 00:28:01.460
jobs ain't coming in because people don't want

00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:04.559
to accept your prices or what you do or how you

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.099
do it, somebody, them knows that somebody will

00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:10.519
say yes down the road. Them knows will turn into

00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.029
yeses. You sell yourself short Selling yourself

00:28:15.029 --> 00:28:17.869
low to the standards these other people want

00:28:17.869 --> 00:28:22.430
you to be and live. Yeah So and the last thing

00:28:22.430 --> 00:28:24.589
I'm gonna say this and this be my last clothes

00:28:24.589 --> 00:28:26.750
on this, you know the the thing of the biggest

00:28:26.750 --> 00:28:31.869
piece to the puzzle is Understanding it too with

00:28:31.869 --> 00:28:34.630
being a writer. Make sure that you understand

00:28:34.630 --> 00:28:38.230
how to write in the sense of saying the English

00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:41.500
language legibility You know, make sure you know

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:43.759
how to write. Make sure it makes sense. You know,

00:28:43.779 --> 00:28:46.539
don't don't be one of those writers where you

00:28:46.539 --> 00:28:49.819
just, you know, just free willing, just putting

00:28:49.819 --> 00:28:52.880
anything down on a piece of paper and it just

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.460
don't nothing connects. Make sure that the stuff

00:28:56.460 --> 00:29:00.140
makes sense and make sure you got too much technology

00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:05.660
now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tighten it up for you.

00:29:05.660 --> 00:29:08.240
Yeah. Make sure it makes sense. And you got to

00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.529
have his division. Yeah, make sure it makes sense

00:29:11.529 --> 00:29:17.269
in a manner where you have a tech in place that

00:29:17.269 --> 00:29:20.730
makes the writings make sense. It's simple to

00:29:20.730 --> 00:29:23.710
do. It's not hard. It's actually free to do now.

00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:26.509
I mean, and if it's the case, send it to a proofreader.

00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:28.589
Proofreaders are still available as well. That's

00:29:28.589 --> 00:29:32.329
still a real thing. And take advantage of that

00:29:32.329 --> 00:29:33.730
part. Take advantage of that part. Ain't that

00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:35.650
crazy though, bro? I thought about that. I can

00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:38.779
write you a whole song. Yeah, that's what that's

00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:41.480
I mean it can make not even write you a whole

00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.000
song it can make you a whole song Music and all

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.819
so don't understand and estimate the whole situation.

00:29:48.819 --> 00:29:52.220
It's a whole you can get a whole song a whole

00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:57.180
And you can handle somebody but yeah, don't don't

00:29:57.180 --> 00:29:59.480
ever feel like y 'all are in a place where you

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know Learn some things when you come into this

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business, you know learn it Don't come in just

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thinking like just be a songwriter. No learn

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the business and continue to love being a songwriter,

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but just learn the business That's the biggest

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part now next next time there's a part where

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you know this mental part of the the Moving from

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around from you know recording and songwriting

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Where things can get a little shaky and a little

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sticky and I'm bringing it up on the next time

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we talk about this You got anything before I

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close this out? Anything new? Keep streaming,

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keep streaming my music. Quincy Murda I hold

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on live on all music platforms. He's streaming

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every song I got out there, even my old music.

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Appreciate everybody that's sharing. I got on

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TikTok a couple days ago, seen somebody had shared

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my joint called Learn Song, add to their story.

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So it's still, it's great seeing old songs. That

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was like one of my first songs. ever recorded

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so it's great seeing your old material still

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resonating with you know we here in 2026 you

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know I'm saying and I think I think I did that

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in 2016 so like you know music is timeless artists

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be original you know whatever you do your painter

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:24.460
musician actor be original be you because there's

00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:28.140
something for you at the end of the road And

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your time is always going to come. It's a time

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for everybody. So yeah, that's all I want to

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end it with. Love, man. Love to the people. To

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those that need help, look for help. Find help.

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Reach out for help. Those that can give help,

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.440
reach out to folks. Give help. You know, there

00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.960
is one, and each one can teach one something,

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something that's always needed in the world.

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If you're that person that needs something, don't

00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.920
be afraid to ask for help. Also autism community.

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I love y 'all disabilities those that have to

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deal with somebody with disabilities or is going

00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.339
through with themselves Remember there's still

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hope always stay positive never give up y 'all

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are the biggest strongest folks that I know anyway

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But y 'all keep me motivated a so but another

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thing too is always in a thing that people you

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brought up Just again, just remember mentality

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is strong. You know, you have a strong mentality,

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you know, sometimes you do have weak moments

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But understanding those weak moments are the

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parts where that's where strength is built up.

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When something gets weak, there's a weak spot

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or something, something is definitely gonna come

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in that spot and you're gonna get stronger. So

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just remember just to always keep yourself in

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a place and a mental that's going up. Even if

00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.240
you're thinking, man, something's gonna happen

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.140
today or something's gonna hurt. That might be

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:49.200
your breakthrough. That might be when that blessing

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.519
about to come. When you feel that. Yeah, don't

00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.980
think too long. That's your void being filled

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right there. So until next time, y 'all, we love

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y 'all. Nothing but blessings, nothing but prayers

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to those that need it. And until next time, peace.